Monument ([info]marnanel) wrote,
@ 2006-01-10 09:54:00
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For anyone who was wondering why Menzies Campbell is not called Men-zees.
Fin and I were talking about yoghs (Ȝȝ) in bed last night.

Link from [info]dyddgu.


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[info]mactavish
2006-01-10 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like some sexy bedtime conversation. :)

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[info]songster
2006-01-10 03:33 pm UTC (link)
So how do you pronounce 'yogh' (the word, not the letter).

Does it rhyme with 'log', 'loch' or something else?

Is the 'y' in 'yogh' actually a yogh?

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[info]dyddgu
2006-01-10 03:48 pm UTC (link)
When we were doing Layamon (the y=yogh) my mam taught me to sound it something like a gh in the back of the throat, kind of a soft growly sound.
Damn, wish I could make voice posts!

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[info]dyddgu
2006-01-10 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, misread your comment! I think the gh in the word "yogh" should be sounded as below, also. Sort of halfway between log and loch. Others may think differently. :-)

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[info]ex_earthsist869
2006-01-10 04:48 pm UTC (link)
yay! includes a limerick!

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[info]bandraoi
2006-01-10 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting this. I don't know much about Scottish Gaelic, but I've always thought it odd that so many Scottish names used a Z, which wasn't a part of the Irish alphabet, and always wondered where they picked it up.

We have two streets here in Chicago, Kedzie and Kinzie, I guess their proper pronunciations would be "Kedyee" and "Kingye"...which sounds infinitely more Celtic, to me, anyway.

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[info]moominmuppet
2006-01-10 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Are the thorn and the yogh related?
One of the comments on the article:
Interesting. I knew about the Old English letter. It's often printed as 'g' when books of Anglo-Saxon poems are printed. So 'gingra' for 'younger', where the first letter should be a 'yogh', sound intermediate between a y and g, I was taught. The old word 'ye' as in 'O come all ye faithful' should also be spelt with it.
When I took a class in history of the english language, we learned that the "y" in "ye" should've been a thorn, not a yogh.
Then again, I don't recall learning about the yogh.

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[info]ylla
2006-01-10 06:59 pm UTC (link)
The 'ye' in 'Ye Olde Inne' is definitely a thorn.

I'm not sure about the other one - there's both 'you' and 'thee' to compare it with!

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[info]dreema
2006-01-10 07:04 pm UTC (link)
I think it was [info]vililee who told me how to pronounce it a couple of years ago. I remembered it as Mingises (for being plural of her word for sheep)

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[info]junni
2006-01-11 08:17 am UTC (link)
Ditto. Is't [info]vililee great?

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[info]dreema
2006-01-11 08:20 am UTC (link)
Yup. And here was us thinking that she was being a little bit odd. But no, she is right, and we is wrong :)

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[info]vililee
2006-01-12 08:09 pm UTC (link)
:p

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[info]vililee
2006-01-12 08:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm a public information service [though a confusing one advocating a new (but correctly pronounced;) word for sheep :)]

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[info]xlerb
2006-01-10 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Another fun thing about that limerick is that “wasp” and “gasp” don't entirely rhyme in en_US, as they're “gæsp” and “wäsp” (if I've got that latter symbol right).

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[info]haggis
2006-01-10 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I remember people calling John Menzies Mingies, which makes much more sense now!

Any idea why Culzean Castle is pronounced Cul-ane? Unless I'm just not doing it right.

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[info]dreema
2006-01-11 08:21 am UTC (link)
or why Hawick is pronounced Hoik ;)

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[info]rowan_leigh
2006-01-13 04:19 pm UTC (link)
They just discussed yoghs on this programme.

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