Monument ([info]marnanel) wrote,
@ 2004-02-06 19:19:00
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Counties of Great Britain
Thanks for using the program. Please do comment and let me know what you think...

Where does the map data come from? The basic data is available free of charge from the Ordnance Survey, the UK government's mapping agency. ("Ordnance" means weaponry: the agency started in order to work out how to haul cannons around.) I used the GIMP to colour each county differently, and then used [info]boutell's excellent GD library to turn the result into an image which used a separate palette entry for each county. Finally, a small Python script can serve up the correct images quickly because all it needs to do is rewrite the image's palette.

Where's Northern Ireland gone? No idea. It was missing from the Ordnance Survey's mapping data; I'd have put it in otherwise. You should ask them to include it. [info]ias has said in a comment below that NI has its own mapping agency, which is why it doesn't appear on OS maps. (The NI version of OS don't appear to give any maps out for free, either.)

You've got the counties wrong... Possibly. For those who don't know, the UK's counties are nothing like as stable as, say, American states; new ones spring up every few years, old ones vanish, the boundaries shift, and people, even the government, keep using abolished counties anyway for some purposes. I've mostly used the current counties, though slightly less so in England; in an attempt to reduce confusion, I haven't shown county boroughs separately from counties (so, for example, Nottingham is shown as part of Nottinghamshire), I've joined some neighbouring metropolitan counties together, and occasionally used names as they were a decade ago where I thought it would be simpler. I've also given up on any attempt to partition Yorkshire correctly. If you think any of this is wrong, let me know.

How about a map of European Union members / German Länder / Australian states / Texan counties... It shouldn't be a problem to adapt the code, if you can show me where to get the map data for free and you're willing to do some sanity-checking of the results. Let me know.

How do the URLs work? Briefly, they contain an encoded bitstring. Each county has its own bit which is set if it's yellow and clear if it's blue. The bits are encoded into a base-64 string (not the same base-64 encoding as in MIME). You can find out more from looking at the JavaScript in the tickybox page; let me know if you want more information. The source is available if anyone wants it.

Thanks go to: [info]firinel, [info]naltrexone, [info]haggis and [info]riordon were the first testers. [info]naltrexone did a wonderful job of making sure the JavaScript worked on Internet Explorer as well as Mozilla.


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[info]redbird
2004-02-06 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Thanks. Neat program, and nice documentation, especially the bits about "Where's Northern Ireland gone?" and "any attempt to partition Yorkshire correctly."

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[info]caorunn
2004-02-07 12:49 am UTC (link)
It's brilliant - thank you! I was hoping there's be one of these after the US one came out...

(one tiny niggle - where are the Channel isles?)

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[info]marnanel
2004-02-07 04:02 pm UTC (link)
Same as NI-- they weren't in the map. Sorry :( I don't know why the Isle of Man got in and they didn't.

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[info]simones
2004-02-09 11:13 am UTC (link)
Probably because it's a bit bigger and nearer to England? Or maybe it's a UK thing, Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney/Sark aren't part of the UK although they are Great Britain, technically..? I missed sticking a pin in for home (Jersey) but thanks for making this! x

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re:the isle of man, and jersey, guernsey, alderney & sark [a]
[info]feetnotes
2005-01-26 12:02 am UTC (link)
iirc, the status of the channel islands is that they are dependencies of the crown, rather than constituent nations/principalities/parts of the united kingdom of great britain & northern ireland; (again iirc) their status differs from that of the isle of man, in that the queen is the lord of man (don't ask)(or rather do, but by googling/asking jeeves/whatever); so man is not a dependency of the crown, but a realm in its own right, with its own parliament (tynwald), whose lord by right of inheritance happens also to be the monarch of the uk.

and yes, thank-you for the work you put into this; it's both interesting and fun.

[a] - yes, yes; and herm!

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Re: the isle of man, and jersey, guernsey, alderney & sark [a]
[info]feetnotes
2005-02-03 08:26 pm UTC (link)
arrrgggh!

man is a dependency of the crown, rather than a constituent part of the ukgb&ni.

aarrrggh!

um; "woops! sorry, pardon!" - ?

(but its status differs, or at least it differed, from that of the channel islands. they are the last remnants of the duchy of normandy, whence william the bastard conquered anglo-saxon england; his inheritance was split, but normandy was subsequently regained by the branch of the family that had gained england (the last mainland toehold of the duchy was not lost until the surrender of calais in bloody mary's reign); man came to the crown as dowry.)

we now return you to the mainstream of the discussion (if you followed this digression at all, that is):

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Re: the isle of man, and jersey, guernsey, alderney & sark [a]
[info]simones
2005-03-08 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Aha! Now I'm with you - it only took me a month!

I did have a flatmate from the isle of man - that was fab, all islanders on the mainland. My abiding memory of his island tales was the mountain on IOM which is only about an inch of being a hill apparently (he could've been winding me up mind you). His idea of a millenium project was to shave the bit off the top to make it a hill...

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"his idea.. .. was to shave the bit off the top to make it a hill..."
[info]feetnotes
2005-03-26 09:43 pm UTC (link)
...with a group of live action role-players in iron age celtic togs, film the process, and then run the film in reverse? ([a])

[a] - variation of an idea stolen from roger zelazny's "...And Call Me Conrad" / _This Immortal_

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Re: re:the isle of man, and jersey, guernsey, alderney & sark [a]
[info]simones
2005-03-08 09:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure that's entirely right, as my Mother is a politician in the island - Jersey and Guernsey both have their own parliament (the States which cover all the other Channel Isles), although the Queen does have a representative in the islands (the Governors). They are Bailiwicks though. Erm... I'm just not clued up enough on home, am I?

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[info]abrokenstarr
2004-02-07 03:10 am UTC (link)
That's great.. thanks.

One problem... I can't seem to see Bristol on there.. is it named something else? I thought it might be 'Avon' but that's not on there either...

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[info]abrokenstarr
2004-02-07 03:17 am UTC (link)
Ok.. never mind... I found it under 'Gloucestershire'.

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[info]spacefall
2004-02-07 05:34 am UTC (link)
Part of *Gloucestershire?* Oi, I resent the implication that my county is non-existant ;-D I blame varous versions of the British government for re-naming stuff.

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[info]abrokenstarr
2004-02-07 07:48 am UTC (link)
It will be mine as of April too...

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[info]chillies
2004-02-07 01:29 pm UTC (link)
At work, there's a bunch of places we refer to as CUBA - Counties that Used to Be Avon. I don't know how common that is ...

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[info]folk
2004-02-08 09:00 am UTC (link)
The Bit-That-Used-To-Include-Weston-Super-MudMare of Avon is now called North Somerset, FYI and in case you are editing the map any time. Otherwise, kudos, [info]marnanel!

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[info]ias
2004-02-07 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Northern Ireland is on the Irish, not British, grid and the OS don't actually make the maps for N.I., those are done by The Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland. For many, many years, the OSNI also made the maps for the Republic, but they have their own OS now.

Isobel
(born Co. Antrim, parental home C. Londonederry, now lives in BANES, or Somerset as I prefer to call it)

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[info]marnanel
2004-02-07 04:29 pm UTC (link)
Oh! Thanks for the explanation-- that makes a lot of sense.

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[info]sath
2004-02-08 06:15 am UTC (link)
Was having trouble fitting scottish cities into the areas that they belonged to, but then I found this site, which helped.

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[info]blue_donkey
2004-02-08 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Interesting program, but the map I found on the OS web site seems to display the counties rather differently to what you have. It has Wales correctly partitioned, and it also has Yorkshire correctly partitioned. Sill no NI though.

Hope this helps.

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[info]marnanel
2004-02-08 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Thanks. The version I was working from uses the counties from after 2001 for Wales, though I amalgamated a few of the southern metropolitan counties. It would have made more sense, with hindsight, to use the Yorkshire divisions from before the changes of the late nineties; it was the attempt to make sense of the current arrangements that led to my lumping it all together as one county.

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[info]blue_donkey
2004-02-09 05:35 am UTC (link)
I think I see where the confusion is coming from now. The map I was looking at was at the bottom of the page which mentioned counties. The map you used, is more upto date, but seems to include "administrative boundaries" - are these new counties or more bureaucracy? Not sure which is more accurate nowadays. I always think in terms of counties, for example, my parents live in Swansea, which as far as they are concerned is in West Glamorgan - Well that is how I address the envelope and things tend to arrive :)

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[info]piphil
2004-02-08 04:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm ignorant about geography in general, so sorry if I'm talking out of my behind here, but I thought the Channel Islands (Jersey/Guernsey etc) are part of the UK? Maybe it's a similiar situation to Northern Ireland?

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[info]marnanel
2004-02-08 05:12 pm UTC (link)
(IANAL, but:) they're more like the Isle of Man than Northern Ireland: officially they're separate countries (with the same monarch, like Canada) and not part of the UK. (That's why they have their own top-level domains: .je and .gg.) I don't know why they're not on the list if the Isle of Man is, though.

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[info]el_cid
2004-02-13 04:15 am UTC (link)
Nice work... =)

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[info]rougeforever
2004-02-15 03:24 am UTC (link)
Very good !

Have a few small niggles - Humberside ? Problem is I still tend to think of counties in terms of criminal justice areas, so this may not be a niggle.

Great fun though - thanks for building it !

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[info]smigs
2004-03-01 03:10 pm UTC (link)
humberside?!? that thing was an abomination, all trace should be destroyed - when i get post with the county i live in 'north humberside' i get really annoyed :)

if you want to partition yorkshire at all, just divide it into the traditional north, west, and east ridings (riding = third), although then i suppose you'd have to lump york in one of the three.. hmm.. it is difficult

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[info]fyremoon
2004-04-22 12:14 pm UTC (link)
Ahh!

I wondered why there wasn't a South Riding, the missing fourth third :P

Thanks for explaining that!

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[info]fyremoon
2004-04-22 12:16 pm UTC (link)
This is a great map thing, it reminds me of one that someone did of states in the US.

I didn't realise I've visited so many!

Thanks for such a great resource!

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Thank you!
[info]pne
2004-05-12 12:11 pm UTC (link)
Neat; thanks.

(And I wondered whether the image couldn't be reduced to fewer colours, but when I read your description of the palette trickery you're doing, I see why that's not really feasible.)

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[info]glittergeezer
2004-05-18 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Cool,good to find a UK map at last.Thank you.

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Would be great but...
(Anonymous)
2005-08-18 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Useful program but only when the counties of England are more of less correct! I refer you to this wikipedia page and explanation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_counties_of_England

It would be better (in my opinion) to use these as the current 47 counties of England. These are what are currently used and understood to be the correct set of English 'counties'.

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Re: Would be great but...
[info]marnanel
2007-08-02 11:46 am UTC (link)
Oh gawd, not this debate again. For those who aren't on WP, this is a rather pointless discussion which causes revert after revert.

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Europe.
(Anonymous)
2006-06-21 08:19 am UTC (link)
After a quick search I found this. I don't know what data you need from the map, but if you need any adaptation of the map, I work as a cartographer and can easily convert to vector maps if you want. Take a look and see what you think.

http://maps.hist-geo.com/Europe/Outline-Continent/

Chris (Bambography)
http://www.bambography.co.uk

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Ease of use
(Anonymous)
2006-10-10 08:15 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the map. I used it for a while, but found it tedious to have to tick all the counties I had already cached in every time I wanted to add a new county. Maybe I was doing something wrong. Is there a way of preserving counties already ticked & just adding a new one? Chen.

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Re: Ease of use
(Anonymous)
2006-12-27 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Seconded -- great page, but if there was some way of converting a generated URL string back into a set of ticked boxes it would be better! :-)

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Re: Ease of use
[info]marnanel
2006-12-27 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Good point, both of you. I'll work it into the next version.

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[info]necaris
2006-10-19 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Any chance of having a look at the source? Just out of curiosity? If you could email it to (ramirc) at hotmail dot com, I'd appreciate it, thanks!

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-02 11:31 am UTC (link)
The map would be a lot more useful if the Geocache Cache notes had an indication of the counties in which they are located. For many of the caches I have found I have no idea which county they are in.
If the caches were county marked it would be able to convey some quite usefull information i.e cache concentrations, localised degree of difficulty by county etc

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[info]marnanel
2007-08-02 11:41 am UTC (link)
Certainly, I'd love to add that feature, but I don't know much about geocaching. Would you like, say, a way of selecting counties by adding a list of lat/long coordinates?

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[info]benbore
2007-09-13 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Map gwych. Pa mor anodd fyddai ei addasu i'r Gymraeg? Dwi'n fodlon ei gyfieithu.

Rhys
www.gwenudanfysiau.blogspot.com

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Yellow bits
(Anonymous)
2007-09-27 12:12 pm UTC (link)
Love this facility! Strangely though, although I haven't clicked on all the counties, when I select 'Liverpool and Merseyside", the appropriate area is highlighted in yellow - but there are also tiny little traces of yellow in other parts of the country. There again, us Scousers do travel well! Thanks for a great page! Best, David (Liverpool)

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-27 05:03 pm UTC (link)
brilliant shows me where I've got to go to colour the whole thing in ;-)

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e-mail address
(Anonymous)
2008-04-21 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Goodmorning,

I am J.C. (Italian Embassy in London), I would like to enquire about the map of the Counties of the UK, could you please provide me an e-mail address?

Many thanks

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Re: e-mail address
[info]marnanel
2008-04-21 02:55 pm UTC (link)
Whose email address do you want?

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Re: e-mail address
(Anonymous)
2008-04-22 09:16 am UTC (link)
the e-mail address of the person who has created the map of the counties of the UK. Many thanks

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Re: e-mail address
[info]marnanel
2008-04-22 11:44 am UTC (link)
The map was made by the Ordnance Survey and reproduced under the terms given on their site. You can find their contact details at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk .

The program which adds the colour to various counties was written by me.

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[info]akkrenskarin
2009-01-24 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Hi there,

Have updated the map religiously at the end of every year, but it doesn't seem to have been working since December - is it fixable?

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[info]ftmichael
2009-02-15 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Seconded. The directory http://marnanel.org/county/1/ doesn't seem to exist anymore, and http://marnanel.org/county/ redirects to http://marnanel.org/counties . Where have the map images gone? Will they be coming back at any point?

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