Monument ([info]marnanel) wrote,
@ 2008-01-03 11:24:00
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answers to stupid questions
I commend Cecil Adams's Straight Dope to you. For thirty-odd years they have been fielding difficult questions from the public with snarky answers. Reading the archives will probably teach you as much as a year in some schools.

There are, however, some questions they refuse to answer. In a spirit of homage, I'll take my lunchbreak to answer them here.

Why do we need a hot water heater? If it's hot it doesn't need to be heated.

Your grasp on the concept of apposition is shaky. Apposition is the placing of two nouns or noun phrases together, so that the one tells you more about the other. In some cases they are simply two ways to describe the same entity, like "my sister Lucy". You seem to be thinking that a "hot water heater" must be a heater to heat hot water, and that's one option, but consider other examples like "sausage machine", a machine to make sausages. A hot water heater is a heater which produces hot water.

How can we have jumbo shrimp?

This is a rather amusing question, because although the person asking it is presumably aware that "shrimp" is both the name of a creature and a description of size, they are possibly not aware that the same is true for "jumbo". Jumbo was a famous elephant in London Zoo in the 1880s; if he had been a particularly small elephant we could have said he was a shrimp Jumbo. Use of his name to mean "very large" followed within ten years. Shrimp are in fact so called because of their smallness (the word is related to "shrink") and we have records from the 1300s of using the term to describe people. So the fact that the adjectives in both cases are derived from comparing whatever it is to very large or very small animals is irrelevant; everyone knows you can have small elephants and big shrimp.

Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?

1) It is. The word is not irregularly spelt at all. (There are other ways of spelling the sound which "ph" makes, but that is irrelevant; the point is that "ph" can make no other regular sounds.)

2) Even if it wasn't, it is not necessary that a word should describe itself. This would lead us into shaving barber territory.

Why do our noses run and our feet smell?

This is a confusion about the two meanings of the verbs "run" and "smell". "Run" is a word which, in various forms, has meant "flow" since Proto-Indo-European; its use in describing the flow of your feet in bipedal motion and the flow of mucus from your nostrils are two applications of the same idea. "Smell" is one of those interesting words which can mean both sides of an action (compare dialectal "itch" for scratch and "learn" for teach); it's meant either to produce or notice an odour for almost a thousand years (probably longer, but we don't have attestation). There is an untrue story that Samuel Johnson, on being told, "Sir, you smell!", replied, "No, Sir, I stink, you smell."

Why does quicksand work slowly?

"Quick" here has the original meaning of "alive", as in "to judge the quick and the dead", and not the newer sense of "fast" (which has only been around since the fourteenth century).

Why are boxing rings square?

A lot of people seem to want to know this, for some reason. I think if you imagine a real fight between exactly two people, without all the formalised rules and layouts of boxing, the other people in the bar or marketplace or wherever tend to fall back into an approximate circle; people were using squares to fight in at least by 1743, when Jack Broughton's seminal rulebook on the conduct of bareknuckle fighting was published. I suspect it's simply easier to draw up a square on the floor, and it's easier to say that you start from opposite sides after a fall than saying you have to start from 180° from your opponent, but that's just a guess.

Why, when lights are out, they are invisible, but when the stars are out, they are visible?

"Out" is a word with a number of meanings, few of which can be descriptions of the same objects. You might as well ask whether Jodie Foster coming out meant she became more or less visible based on stellar or light analogies. If I still had access to the OED, I would tell you when the word came to mean "extinguished" when applied to flames (and hence electric light), but I don't.

[Update: Jonathan Jarrett, who does have OED access, shows me that the earliest record of the word being so used was by John Trevisa in his 1398 translation of De Proprietatibus Rerum: "For þat þe wynde schulde nouȝt blowe out þe light". You rock. Thanks.]

Why do we call them apartments when they are all together?

This question makes no sense because it is backwards. If you take a house and put all the parts together, it is precisely then when it is not apartments. If you split it apart into separate pieces, you have apartments.

If cows laughed, would milk come out of their noses?

I do rather find it hard to understand what kind of mental confusion would produce this question even as a joke. Firstly, when humans produce milk (or coffee, or whatever) from their nose when they laugh, it is because they were drinking it. Cows drink milk only in calfhood; the rest of their lives they drink water (around six gallons a day, although it varies by temperature). So only a baby cow would even be drinking the milk to start with. Secondly, why a cow? All mammals from mice to giraffes produce milk. Furthermore there is no connection between the mammary and the respiratory system. Finally, as far as I am aware, cows cannot laugh in the first place. Some zoologists have recently reported laughter in non-human primates, but not in other mammals.

Why does Denny's have locks on the door if it's open 24 hours?

A moment's thought should show you that the problems which would result from not being able to close the restaurant in an emergency, or in leaving it empty but unlocked, would far outweigh the few tens of dollars it costs to add locks to the door. Imagine, for example, closing the restaurant while refitting after a fire, or not being able to scrape enough staff together to run the place at 4am during a flu epidemic. (In addition, some jurisdictions may require that restaurants close on certain days or nights of the year.)

[Updates: rethought points out that a building may not have been open twenty-four hours a day in the past; shaunm points out that even buildings which are generally permanently open often close for a few hours a few times a year to have a cleaning crew do a thorough pass rather than the incremental cleaning that happens day-to-day.]

Why do ships carry cargoes and cars carry shipments?

"Car" (a Norman word which they took from the Celts) and "cargo" (a Spanish word that comes from Latin) are unrelated. Incidentally, it is interesting that people assume that the Welsh word for car, "car", is a loan-word from English, but its irregular plural belies this.

When will a building actually become a built?

The -ing on the end of "building" is not the "-ing" on the end of "singing"; it is another ending which was once "-ung" but merged. (The word in Scots is "biggin".)


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[info]madcaptenor
2008-01-03 04:41 pm UTC (link)
"Why isn't phonetic spelled the way it sounds?"

I wonder: how does this questioner feel about the word "long", which is not long? Or "tetrasyllabic"? Or "palindrome"? I could go on.

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[info]ylla
2008-01-03 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Why does the Royal Mail deliver post and the Postal Service deliver mail? :)

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[info]madcaptenor
2008-01-03 04:52 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what Canada Post/Postes Canada delivers. This page seems to indicate it's "mail"; cette page dit que c'est "courrier". But an actual Canadian might be helpful here.

Edited at 2008-01-03 04:53 pm UTC

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[info]lovecraftienne
2008-01-03 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Yep, it's the mail. Or "courrier", or sometimes "poste" (en francais).

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[info]madcaptenor
2008-01-03 05:45 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking it might be "poste", because they're called "Postes Canada"... but that seemed too logical!

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[info]lovecraftienne
2008-01-03 05:47 pm UTC (link)
We do call people who work for the post office 'posties', including the letter carrier.

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[info]madcaptenor
2008-01-03 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I call people who work for the post office "bums". This is because they do not seem able to sort the mail properly.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 06:11 pm UTC (link)
We say "postie" too.

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[info]dyddgu
2008-01-03 04:44 pm UTC (link)
6th century welsh has the word peiriant, which today is used for machine; can't for the life of me remember what it meant at the time.

Broughton was a sweetie, really. He brought out his rules because he managed to kill a man in a pugilism bout (they made friends before the chap died, as it took him a year to pass on), and he thought that a bit much. At that time, it was indeed called the "Prize Ring", and it was formed by the spectators holding hands to mark the perimeter. Another suspicion I have is that, when they were doing the thing with the stretchy ropes to fall on, the ropes made straight lines between the poles to hold them up, and they just stuck to that.
sorry, I am rambly today.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Oh, don't apologise. I'd like to know what peiriant meant in those days. I was quite happy to find that gwyddbwyll was another game before it was chess.

And thank you for the further information about Broughton; what I wrote above is pretty much the sum of my knowledge on him.

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[info]ylla
2008-01-03 05:00 pm UTC (link)
I think you mean http://www.straightdope.com
I got confused following the other link :)

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 05:01 pm UTC (link)
bloody squatters :/ Fixed. Thanks.

Edited at 2008-01-03 05:01 pm UTC

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[info]sonjaaa
2008-01-03 05:01 pm UTC (link)
You are smrt.

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[info]sonjaaa
2008-01-03 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Where do I go to learn Nimyad? Is it like Toki Pona?

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[info]simont
2008-01-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)
There is an untrue story that Samuel Johnson, on being told, "Sir, you smell!", replied, "No, Sir, I stink, you smell."

If so (that is, if there is such a story, not if it's true) then David Eddings is a plagiarist of one-liners on one more occasion than I was previously aware of.

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[info]hitchhiker
2008-01-04 08:12 pm UTC (link)
There's also this:

According to one apocryphal tale, Webster was once engaged in some
hanky-panky with the chambermaid when his wife opened the door to his
study and found the couple in a compromising position. "Noah! I'm
surprised!" she exclaimed. Webster, a stickler for the proper use of
words, was said to have replied: "No, my dear. I am surprised. You are astonished."

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[info]satanscientist
2008-01-03 06:37 pm UTC (link)
I used to read that all the time. Thanks for reminding me about it.

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[info]rethought
2008-01-03 06:44 pm UTC (link)
The other answer to the 'X' is open 24 hours but has locks is 'it may not have always been 'X''.

Anecdotally, the truck stop nearest my parents house doesn't have locks. It is open 24/7 without exception. I'm pretty sure, in case of emergency, that they'd sell over the burning embers or ask a passing customer to take over the register for a few hours. Granted, I haven't checked for locks in the last 2 years, but during the 10 years I was in and out, there were none.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 06:53 pm UTC (link)
That's a good point (and I've added it in an update). For it to be true for Denny's generally, though, it would require both that at one point all Denny's weren't open all night but then became so, and either that no new Denny's have been built since, or that they are all built to identical specs which have not been altered since the change to permanent opening.

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[info]emschin
2008-01-03 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Interesting that the post should refer to Denny's. One of their restaurants is in a suburb, on the edge of the city of Milwaukee. Because it was open 24hr it became a popular spot to go after bar closings on weekends. As a result there were a lot of fights in the wee morning hours.
The Village of Wauwatosa police had so many calls that the Village Board pressured Denny's to "do something". As a result that Denny's now closes for a few hours on Friday and Saturday nights. Good thing they had locks!

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[info]dglenn
2008-01-03 11:08 pm UTC (link)
Several years ago one of the open-all-night restaurant chains -- I think it was actually Denny's but I could be mistaken -- decided for the first time to close overnight on one holiday (either Christmas or New Year's, I think, but I'd have to dig up an old news article). It turned out that many of their restaurants did not in fact have locks, and had to have them fitted specifically so they could close that one day that one year. I do not recall whether they continued to close for that holiday after that year or not, but I do remember the news reportage with an amused tone of voice about the expense incurred by the installation of locks on somany buildings at once.

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[info]torquemada
2008-01-03 07:23 pm UTC (link)
'ph' can and does make another sound, which is in fact the original one for many usages: the same as in 'tophat' (or 'top hat', if you prefer). The P in the ph diphthong is a hard P in Greek, so the classically correct pronunciation for words like 'phonograph' and 'telephone' doesn't contain an F sound.

A sausage machine as in a machine made out of sausage would be pretty awesome. And tasty! But not fun to use after the first week or two, unless it had preservatives.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 07:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm aware of the [pʰ] sound that φ makes in ancient Greek, but "ph" doesn't regularly make that sound in English, which is why I bothered to include the word "regular" in my answer. "Tophat" is a contrived case; any digraph whose second character can begin a syllable can be manufactured in that way. Most people write "top hat" over "tophat", anyway.


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[info]ylla
2008-01-03 09:33 pm UTC (link)
I heard the song that starts 'when the snowman brings the snow' a few too many times last month, and started picturing the postman as a man made out of post :)

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[info]anon235711
2008-01-03 10:31 pm UTC (link)
Other possible reasons for Denny's to have locks:
- required by insurance
- comply with national Denny's standards
- in case they sell the restaurant
- the doors come with locks, or at least holes for them
- not all doors may be open at all hours

and boo on you for not at least allowing screened anonymous comments.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-03 11:19 pm UTC (link)
All of those are good points; thanks. I had a person leave some anon comments attacking regular commenters a few weeks ago; I turned them off then, but there's no reason not to turn them back on again now, so I will when I get back to my own computer.

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[info]bluejena
2008-01-04 05:43 pm UTC (link)
My local Denny's had to close down a few weeks ago because there was an issue with the gas line and they needed to close it to let the gas company come in and repair it, since they wouldn't be able to cook food while the gas was disconnected. :)

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[info]hitchhiker
2008-01-04 08:07 pm UTC (link)
i think you missed the specific lameness in the boxing ring question - the import is "why are they square when they're boxing *rings* and rings are circular as any fule kno"

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-04 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Well, perhaps. I was going for the wise fool approach; I had *some* idea that these people weren't asking because they actually wanted to know.

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[info]hitchhiker
2008-01-04 08:21 pm UTC (link)
ah, okay :)

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[info]hitchhiker
2008-01-04 08:12 pm UTC (link)
also, i never thought about the "building" one. that rocks.

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[info]gjm11
2008-01-05 12:57 am UTC (link)
I do rather find it hard to understand what kind of mental confusion would produce this question even as a joke.

Very Babbageous.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-05 01:10 am UTC (link)
Ha. Do you know, I hadn't made the connection until you said that.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-05 02:09 am UTC (link)
I have always liked this one: Buses stop at a bus station, and trains stop at a train station. I have a work station on my desk... :)

Also, regarding "phonetic": the term "autological" refers to words that describe themselves, and "heterological" refers to words that do not describe themselves. For a direct example of the shaving barber problem, known in this case as the Grelling-Nelson paradox: Does heterological describe itself?

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-05 02:17 am UTC (link)
I have learned new words today. Thank you!

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I R pedantic
[info]baratron
2008-01-06 12:07 am UTC (link)
Buses stop at a bus station - but can also start from a bus station :)

Trains stop at a train station - only in American English. In British English trains stop at a railway station.

Anyway, even in the US, a lot of trains pass through railway stations without stopping :P ;)

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Re: I R pedantic
[info]marnanel
2008-01-06 12:18 am UTC (link)
I always wanted to point out the "railway station" thing, but never quite had the nerve.

Gosh, you have a bus icon.

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[info]marnanel
2008-01-16 09:50 pm UTC (link)
linkback: http://www.mahnamahna.net/blog/misc/items/080111.html

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